We’re back with part 22 of Overheard in Product—a series where we round up all of the tantalizing conversations from product folks that you may have missed on the web last week.

This week, we overheard: the role of PMs, getting in the zone, design degrees, the UX gold rush, and medieval wine.

Let’s get to it.

Managing expectations

Erica Joy, engineering manager at Microsoft, asked her followers to describe the role of PMs.

There was a common answer with product figuring out the “why” and the “what”, while engineering determines the “how”.

Food for thought: How do PMs work with engineering on your team?

Pixel-hate

Product and service designer Mariusz Ciesla gathered some sage words for product designers.

Folks encouraged others to study psychology and get good at user testing to better understand their users.

Zoning laws

Julie Delanoy, head of product design at ProductHunt, championed the feeling of being in a flow state.

‍Food for thought: In last week’s bonus section, we explored how procrastination isn’t a time management problem—it’s an emotional one.

Golden opportunity

Tobias van Schneider, founder of Semplice had something to say about the UX Gold Rush.

Tobias follows up that the gold rush is both good and bad (as are most changes in the world). And some folks in the responses disagreed with this point that there are “few to no hard requirements” to become a UX designer.

Bonus: A fine vintage

While playing around in an ancient latrine (as they do), archaeologists in France uncovered a 900-year-old grape seed that is a perfect genetic match to a certain type of grape still used in wine production today.

The grape, Savignon Blanc—not to be confused with the vastly more famous Sauvignon Blanc—is thought to be the ancestor to many beloved wine varieties, and is still used to create an odd yellow wine called vin jaune that one wine writer calls “the weirdest wine you’ll ever have.”

Cheers!